Sunday, November 2, 2008
The "Muslim Apologists" and Yoga Fatwa
A wonderfully succinct answer to these people came from Bergen, whose comment from MM's (apologist) Rantings I am reprinting without his permission here for the sake of imparting knowledge:
Bergen Commented:
1 . Members of the Majlis Fatwa are selected from scholars of various disciplines of Islamic knowledge such as Hadith, Qur'an, Fiqh, Usuluddin etc.
I say:
Anything to come out of the mouths of Muslim scholars or not in tune with the "nafsu" of the muslim "liberals" (whatever that means) is instantly shot down and our ulamas belittled.
Why do they bother being Muslims then? Islam is a total way of life and we cannot simply adopt practices for the sake of assimilation and for the sake of being "accepted" or "acceptable" in the eyes of the westerners/non-muslims simply because they cannot accept what is ordained by Allah and what is required of us as Muslims in order to protect the purity of our faith, ie: Aqeedah.
People like Marina and Zainah Anwar are mere apologists who seem to feel ashamed that their religion is not acceptable to the "liberal" minded ie: who prefer to use they much prided on logic rather than the Wisdom of Allah.
Intellect is a blessing from Allah, but oftentimes it clouds the heart. Faith in itself is not something that can be explained by logic, because we are worshipping the Unseen (Ghaib) as in the earlier part of al Baqarah.
I may not be a good Muslim sometimes, BUT I WILL NOT ARGUE WITH THE TRUTH and the findings of the learned ulama who do not simply issue fatwas for "fun" as Bergen said.
And funny thing, my non-muslim friends can accept me as I am and I do not have to apologize to them for my beliefs! No problems there at all!
Allah says..."to you your religion and unto me mine". Mutual respect, yes...So I hope that the non-muslims will also respect our ulamas fatwas. The comments of Marina's blog (which she seems so happy to get) blasting Islam and our learned scholars really upset me. Maybe she should join the Sky Kingdom. They accept all...Muslims, Hindus, Christians...no apologies!
Why don't we all try this Senaman Melayu Tua instead? Or is it too kampung for us? Even the Mat Sallehs are catching on.
16 comments:
- tarings said...
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Auwww...apologist, eh? Felt like one of them accused.
Yeah, read the post. And some of them comments. This is what I like to refer to as a lose-lose situation. And Moslems will definitely lose more. I know where Marina's coming from. She's a social activist, women and children being some of her pet interests. Reckon what peeved her most is priority. And as Bergen puts it, the triviality. When there are more pressing concerns affecting the Moslems as them examples she had mentioned.
She's definitely opened the pandora's box. Islam bashing. And sadly, most of them bashers will be Moslems. Some with good intentions, some of course are misguided.
But why the sudden need of so many fatwas? Is the pace of change so great and sudden that most of us were caught unawares? Official fatwas from the Fatwa Council. Unofficial fatwas by over-zealous teachers. But look at them crime pages. Mostly us, the over-fatwaed and over-guided Moslems.
Mebbe I'm an apologist too. -
November 2, 2008 at 6:25 PM
- Pat said...
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I thought I'd say something, seeing as how I am guilty of posting on the fatwa on yoga myself.
I agree with what Bergen says: that the fatwas are for muslims, and for muslims alone. And I agree with you, in that I admire your faith and how you choose to live your life as a practising and good muslim.
My concern, when I wrote, was that what is at first passed as a fatwa for muslims, could then slowly move into the secular and become 'banned' for all: both muslims and non-muslims alike. That is what I am worried about. What muslims choose to do and not do, is between them, their religious councils, and their god.
You know I'm an irreverant tree-worshipper, right? I respect your beliefs, and in the same vein, would like mine respected. Not you per se - but you know what I mean, ya?
I understand your take on MM. My thoughts about her and her writing are there for all to read. So I'll not say anything here.
But muslim and islam bashing is wrong. Any religion bashing is wrong. We have got to grow up and let people do what they want, minus our two sen. Respect. That's what's so lacking here.
Sorry for the 'so-long', sweetie. But I needed to explain - to you.
Pat
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And it is good to see someone speak up, and explain, the 'other side'. -
November 2, 2008 at 6:46 PM
- Saya... said...
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Tuanku Taring,
Of course there are other pressing issues. I don't think Bergen saw it as trivial.
MM saw it as trivial. Corruption, murder etc, and fitnah (ie: fitnah org sodomy) is not needing any fatwa. That is clear cut already. But the powers that be/are are surely not going to let themselves be subject to existing hukum, right? Maybe when they lose power then we can subject them to hudud like cutting of their looting hands and sula them (like that Razak fella for admitting adultery).
But until then, are we to let the other Muslims fall to the wayside by all the dubious practices?
Pat,
Islam does not impose on others the Islamic law. Just take a look at Kelantan! Ask Jed Yoong. She has lived in Kelantan for a while.
Non-muslims should also respect the right of Muslims to live their lives by His laws. You are right about that.
The thing that gets me is that fellow Muslims cannot stand up for their own religion and are sorely lacking in the proper understanding of their own religion.
Lim Guan Eng himself admired and studied how Caliph Umar governed. And it is based on justice and care for all, regardless. -
November 2, 2008 at 9:17 PM
- Saya... said...
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Btw Dear Pat,
A tree is definitely a lovely, majestic creation. Better still is the One Who Created it...heh heh.
One Who can create such beauty is surely the epitome of Majesty Himself.
Allah rules are not meant to stifle or strangle, but as His Guide for us, the lowly humans in living our lives in the best way possible that only He the Creator should know.
Allah's Mercy overcomes His Anger, such is His Love for us. But just as a child loves his/her parent would not want to anger/hurt his/her parents, what more our actions that might anger Him, our Creator...we only want to Pleasure the One we love.
Hugs,
MT -
November 2, 2008 at 9:34 PM
- Bergen said...
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Thank you for visiting, ma'am. You be sure to have a nice day now, y'hear?
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November 2, 2008 at 11:23 PM
- Saya... said...
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Bergen,
You are welcome.
And you have a nice day too. -
November 2, 2008 at 11:26 PM
- Kama At-Tarawis said...
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Salut! For once I don't feel like an outcast for defending majlis fatwa.
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November 3, 2008 at 1:34 AM
- Saya... said...
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kama-at-tarawis,
NEVER feel like an outcast for standing up for what is right....hahaha -
November 3, 2008 at 2:00 AM
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you said... "Anything to come out of the mouths of Muslim scholars or not in tune with the "nafsu" of the muslim "liberals" (whatever that means) is instantly shot down and our ulamas belittled.
Why do they bother being Muslims then? Islam is a total way of life and we cannot simply adopt practices for the sake of assimilation and for the sake of being "accepted" or "acceptable" in the eyes of the westerners/non-muslims simply because they cannot accept what is ordained by Allah and what is required of us as Muslims in order to protect the purity of our faith, ie: Aqeedah.
People like Marina and Zainah Anwar are mere apologists who seem to feel ashamed that their religion is not acceptable to the "liberal" minded ie: who prefer to use they much prided on logic rather than the Wisdom of Allah."
wow tigr, you sound so righteous!
almost in danger of making the kind of judgements one attributes only to the One who can read minds as well as intentions.
if i'm religious, i'd probably ask you to berastagha. ;D -
November 3, 2008 at 7:02 AM
- Saya... said...
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Mekyam,
Yeah, I sound just like them ladies no?
Just the way they jump up and paint 'em ulama and every fatwa that comes out from these learned scholars as regressive and stupid and done without due process just because it doesn't go down well with them and that they know better, armed with their one copy of the english translation of the Holy Quran?
The opposite of 'em bleeding apologists, I am...someone has to be... ;D -
November 3, 2008 at 9:31 AM
- Saya... said...
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Mekyam,
Zainah mentioned the current "labeling" something as islamic or not, as islam being reduced to mere labels.
Well that is HER perception.
To those who want to practise islam fully (or try to), they want to know if every aspect of their lives is in tune with Allah's requirements of them as Muslims. So that is why they appreciate all these fatwas and clearing up of gray areas in what they practice in the course of their lives.
The "apologists" foam about freedom, rights and all that crap, but in the same vein, they are stifling and belittling OUR rights to practice Islam fully in our lives (or at least our attempts to, in my case).
One of the reasons we see everything being suddenly "labeled" Islamic or not as in the eyes of Zainah et al, stems from the fact that Muslims nowadays are experiencing a resurgence/awareness about Islam and where they currently stand and how they have been sidelining the religion from their lives, getting caught up with the general trends worldwide and western and other cultures and losing their islamic identities and beliefs in the process. They actually need and appreciate clarification and the knowledge imparted by the learned scholars as to how to best practise their Deen ( islam as a total way of life) and get back on the right track in the eyes of Allah.
Is that so bad, babe? ;D
We Muslims have rights too meh!
We demand equal rights! Heheh.
Makes more sense, Mek? -
November 3, 2008 at 10:37 AM
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Salam,
1st time here.
Agreed with what Bergen and you pointed out.
I'm scared of the younger generation who could be influenced with what Zainah and MM wrote. ( I think for that IKIM & JAKIM and other relevant authorities should counter them accordingly)
Have a nice day.
Wassalam -
November 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM
- Saya... said...
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And Mek...might I add that we foam in the mouth Muslims are also human and still susceptible to mistakes (not anal sex as alleged by Najib in Bala's initial SD).
I get really ticked off when people (not you lah) compared one act ie solat, or pakai tudung with total piety and "maksumness" ie we are not allowed to make mistakes/succumb to temptation like the rest of humankind. So, they say..."baik tak payah pi masjid, or baik tak payah pakai tudung" based on that one or two acts.
What...are we made of stone then? Even Nabi Adam made a mistake, didn't he? Did Allah write him off totally? -
November 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM
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Heya Tigress.
Just to put things into perspective (in case you don't know..), I wrote about this issue a few days back. Questioned the need for these fatwas, was basically what I wrote about.
Grateful that someone cared enough to give me a LONG comment(s) on their viewpoint, and didn't start spewing crazy words at me for 'insulting Islam', which I hope I didn't do.
We'll always have differing views, no?
But as long as there are points and counter-points, and patience enough to go through both sides, I reckon I'm learning as I go. I like long discussions, where we get to pose questions, and actually get rational answers to them.
Your faith in your religion is amazing, to say the least. It's something we sorely lack in this world today. -
November 3, 2008 at 12:56 PM
- Saya... said...
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Hi Michelle,
Yes I just read the comments by meow. Good explanation given.
It is the non-muslims that are doing quite a lot of the crazy words from what i saw.
I left a comment there for them. Not as good as meow.
Take care, sweetie. -
November 3, 2008 at 3:08 PM
- Mohd Nadzrin Wahab said...
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Assalamualaikum friends,
The Fatwa Council and true Ulama focus on Aqidah, the rope of faith that ties a Muslim to Allah. It is directly related to Syahadah, the first pillar in Islam.
If Yoga was nothing more than a physical exercise, there would be no problem. But, if the Marinas and the Zainahs want to know more, please ask a yogi in India, what is the relationship between Yoga and his faith? His answer will explain why the Ulama are concerned about it.
Questions arose concerning Yoga and Islam, but all of them skimmed the issue of spirituality, simply because those people who talked about it knew nothing about it.
Question 1: Can Yoga be taught to Muslims?
Answer: Yes. But there is a spiritual cleansing process that has to happen, and involves Alim in Islamic spirituality. For hundreds of years, Silat Melayu has come under the influence of Hinduism, Buddhism and Animism, but Islam came to cleanse most of them and we have inherited many strands of pure silat. There exist Muslim forms of Tai Chi, Qigong and Yoga in their homelands, that never make it here, because of our ignorance. Taught by Muslims, these arts have been Muslim for hundreds of years.
Question 2: Can't I just do the physical exercises of yoga? What has it got to do with my faith?
Answer: I have yet to find a Muslim yogi who is an example of being Muslim, let alone a good Muslim. Once again, those people who understand the role of spiritual influences within cultural practises cringe at the thought of yoga being taught to our youth.
We have people screaming Al Qaeda, Wahabbi, Extremist, but notice that there hasn't been anyone from even the most moderate Muslim camp step up to defend it? Only the so-called 'liberals' have done so, which proves that there is no fear or favour in saying so.
Islam is about following Allah's injuctions and the Prophet's teachings. The middle path of Islam is following it. Solat is part of that middle path. Funny how people who don't solat aren't called extremists.
If anyone wants to know where I'm coming from with these comments, I invite them to email me at webmaster@silatmelayu.com
The above comments are only directed at my fellow Muslims (or those who claim to be) to correct a misperception. To my dear friends who aren't Muslim yet, I also invite you to contact me, should you wish to know more.
Wassalam, -
November 6, 2008 at 5:19 PM

2. Fatwas are not issued for fun.
3. A Fatwa is needed for issues where its halal or haram is not directly mentioned in the Qur'an.
4. A Fatwa is the interpretation based on the knowledge and understanding of an issue in a particular time, and place. So a Fatwa can change as an issue is better understood by way of research, or sudden inspiration. Since our life evolves around new things, we will certainly need Fatwas from time to time.
5. A Fatwa is a way out for those who do not wish to push the limit of 'harus' to the maximum. He or she prefers to remain safe from 'syubhah' or associating themselves with something that is close to being haram.
e.g: Majlis Fatwa has issued a decision on cigarette. It's haram based on medical reasons of the day and statistics i.e people who smoke are more prone to getting cancer compared with those who don't. So if you smoke it's like you're subjecting your body to getting cancer, which is close to suicide, which is haram.
If you wish to smoke, it's all right because Qur'an doesn't mention anything about smoking. As far as Qur'an is concerned you can smoke the whole cigarettes in the ciggy factory if you want. And you can still argue with God that since it's not mentioned in the Qur'an you figure it's all right to smoke.
But for those who wish be closer to Allah - they may chose not to smoke based on this Fatwa.
(Not a big deal - the choice is yours)
Members of Majlis Fatwa is made up of liberal-minded individuals with exceptional intelligence that Allah has given them. They have more open discussions than what you have accused them of here. They've had discussions with M. Nasir on lyrics, music and such. They've had discussion with gays and homosexuals. They don't have to tell you about this.
A Fatwa (yet to be issued) on Yoga is in the process of being discussed. You can bet your left ear that by the time they're done with it, they will have understood Yoga better than the most senior Yogi the bear.
The Majlis Fatwa, like the rest of Majlis Fatwa in other Islamic countries, have issued thousands of Fatwas for matters you may consider trivial, but a big deal to those who want to be close to Allah and do not wish to commit 'syubhah'.
That's what Islam is about. It's about obtaining the 'redha' from Allah because you know everything you do here, will be questioned in the hereafter.
Of course, a great many Muslims do not really think that the hereafter is a big deal and so it doesn't really matter to them whether or not Allah 'redha' for all their actions here.
One of the signs that you don't care all that much about Allah is when you feel uncomfortable with the sound of people reading the Qur'an. Or people talking about Qur'an. Instead you make it your mission to point all the 'flaws' in the Qur'an so that you have this thing in your heart whispering; if Qur'an is perfect, then how come Allah has imposed so much rules on women like tudung.
And you have this doubt in your heart that Qur'an is not the ultimate truth, which is why you don't read it every day. Besides you don't speak Arabic. Since you're the type who understand what you read, you figure there's no point in reading the Qur'an. But you forget, people have read Qur'an for more than a thousand years and a great many of them don't understand a word what it means but yet, they find it beautiful.
This blows your mind away. Which is why you figure; I'm a Muslim but I'm a thinking Muslim. Which why you figure you don't need HIDAYAH.
It's just a Fatwa. Not a big deal. You may choose to follow. You may choose not to follow. You may choose to make Yoga your way of life because it is just a form of exercise. Or you may choose to sing songs in a church because you figure, it's just a song.
Each will answer before Allah our action. There's no force in Islam.